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Bankrupt for Baby

Wednesday, February 06, 2008

By Grace Hammond

Jackson Hole, Wyo.- River Osborn rests her elbows on a table at Shades Café. The tips of her ears are pink as erasers; her posture straight as a sharpened pencil. She blows into her hands to warm them up. The air is soaked with the smell of scones and just-baked chocolate chip muffins.

River has a bun in the oven.

Her pregnancy is 14 weeks along. It was “a welcome surprise,” she says, but she’s still not sure what to do.

River, 26, has spent the last two years on Jackson’s science and research circuit as a seasonal parks employee. She has a B.S. in Ecology, which helped her secure her first position as a Habitat Biologist Technician for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. That’s where she met her boyfriend of 15 months, Charlie, a Fisheries Biologist at the time.

When she learned she was pregnant, River withdrew her name from the running for a position with benefits at Grand Teton National Park, where she had just completed a season as a Fire Effects Monitor and Wildland Firefighter.

“Being a firefighter and a mother seemed incompatible - just for me,” she says.

River began looking for entry-level positions with benefits “all over town.” She and Charlie were between seasons and on unemployment. Together, they applied for Medicaid.

“We figured, gosh, we’re a shoo-in,” she says.

For a family of three - River, Charlie and their unborn baby - the income cap for eligibility was $1,900 per month. Theirs totaled $1,922. The family was denied.

River has yet to receive any prenatal care. The OB/GYN wants a “down payment of $1,000 just to start care with them,” she says.

Ideally, River would opt to receive her care from a midwife, but midwifery - more affordable than hospital birth - is illegal in Wyoming.

Without insurance, any hospitalization during pregnancy “would mean bankruptcy for me,” she says. “That’s not really an option.”

What remains an option is leaving the state. River and Charlie want to move to Oregon. “If you’re pregnant, you’re covered on day one,” River says. There, midwifery isn’t just legal; it’s covered by the state health plan.

“I feel really let down by Wyoming,” River says. “You know how you’re supposed to have joy during pregnancy? I feel like that’s been hijacked from me. Stress levels like this can’t be good for the baby.”

STANDARD AND SURPRISE COSTS

“The bottom line is that it costs a lot of money to have a baby,” said Bonnie Pockat at the Teton County Public Health Department. Even prenatal care doesn’t come cheap. Pockat explained the “down payment” system:

“Local OB/GYN practices rely on ‘global fees,’” Pockat said. “You pay up front - usually a few thousand dollars - and it counts toward care throughout the pregnancy and perhaps part of the delivery, like the obstetrics fee.”

There are many “parts” of delivery to cover. Even the most routine birth involves a bundle of fees - for the doctor, the hospital stay, an anesthesiologist (in the case of an epidural) and care of both mother and newborn, said Dawn Sheue, an agent at Summit Insurance.

At St. John’s Medical Center, charges for vaginal deliveries range from approximately $5,000-$6,800 and approximately $12,900 for a cesarean section (fees for newborn and mother included), said Karen Connelly, director of marketing and community relations. Insured and uninsured patients are charged the same rates by law. The hospital accepts Medicaid and offers some “charity care” to eligible women.

These fees are nothing compared to a “million dollar baby” - a preemie or a pregnancy with complications.

MATERNITY BENEFITS ‘SYSTEMATICALLY ELIMINATED’

In 2005, the most recent year for which data is complete, about two in three births in Teton County were to married women. The majority of mothers - 63 percent - were between the ages of 20 and 29.

Members of this age group are twice as likely to be uninsured as other state residents. Roughly one in three, or 31.1 percent, of Wyoming residents aged 19 to 29 lack health insurance, compared to about 15 percent of residents overall, according to state figures.

Since 2001, Wyoming has hovered near the top 10 states with high numbers of uninsured. This doesn’t mean people aren’t working; nationally, about half of the uninsured work fulltime. A 2003 Families USA study found that 88 percent of uninsured Wyoming families included a part- or full-time worker.

Wyoming residents without health benefits through an employer have three choices. Some are eligible for Medicaid or other state benefits. The poor but ineligible (or unconcerned) remain uninsured. And some purchase independent policies to protect themselves and their families. In 2005, Wyoming health care premiums cost an estimated $4,531 per individual and $11,841 per family.

Many women who purchase their own health care, however, are in for a nasty surprise when the stork arrives.

In the past three to four years, most maternity benefits have been systematically eliminated from independent health insurance policies, Sheue said.

“They don’t want to cover it. The smart insurer doesn’t,” she said. “Pregnant women come to my office in tears and I have to tell them they can’t get coverage. It is the hardest conversation I can have other than a death claim.”

Sheue emphasized that times have changed. “These are not the insurance policies your mother had,” she said. “Even the ones from five years ago are gone. Employers who don’t provide maternity benefits need to understand - so do the self-employed and people in transitions. There’s no longer any individual plan that will cover a pregnancy without you investing in it in premiums for a long period of time first.”

The few independent policies that offer maternity coverage now enforce waiting periods of 10-18 months before it kicks in, Sheue said. Premiums will be hiked, on average, an additional $300 to $400 per month for the duration of the policy, she explained.

“By the time you include the inflated premium, which you paid into every month for a year or year-and-a-half before you could even use it, you’ve virtually self-funded the delivery,” Sheue said. “They’re not paying anything. It was all your money.”

PREGNANCY AS A ‘PRE-EXISTING CONDITION’

Working women without workplace benefits make statistically low wages as they are typically in the service industry or working for small employers. For women in these sectors, simply purchasing their own benefits at 20 to 50 percent of their monthly income - a recent Wyoming estimate - is difficult enough. Doubling or tripling that monthly cost to procure future maternity coverage is unrealistic, if not impossible, for most.

Further, this requires planning and budgeting for pregnancy well in advance. Many (if not most) of Wyoming’s pregnancies are unplanned. In 2003, state data found that 49.1 percent of Wyoming women who gave birth were not trying to get pregnant when they conceived. Because this figure excludes women who terminated their pregnancies, it almost certainly underestimates the number of unplanned pregnancies that occurred that year.

There are no independent policies in Wyoming that can be purchased to cover a pregnancy that already exists. All will exclude it as a “pre-existing condition.”  Even the Wyoming Health Insurance Pool (WHIP), the state insurance program of last resort, denies coverage to existing pregnancies. After paying into the policy for 12 months, however, maternity can be covered “as any illness,” the brochure states.

EMPLOYER-PROVIDED OPTIONS

Group policies with broad maternity benefits are the best - and perhaps only - option for local women who want children but are ineligible for Medicaid, said Sheue.

Group policies are provided by employers. Pregnancy cannot be excluded as a pre-existing condition in a group policy that covers it, Sheue explained. “Even if you’re eight months pregnant, if you can find somebody to hire you, you’re covered. This is the best news I have.”

Not all group plans are created equal, however. Employers choose the level of maternity coverage to offer when they set up the plan. Some cover complicated or uncomplicated pregnancies, but not both; others cover labor but not prenatal care; some don’t cover pregnancy at all. (For its part, the baby itself will be covered  after  birth if it is added to a group plan.)

Either way, without Medicaid, a sky-high independent policy premium or a good group plan, “you are going to end up self-funding that birth, and you’d better pray it’s normal,” Sheue said.

PRENATAL OPTIONS SHRINK

For many local pregnant women, the Medicaid process begins with an application at Public Health. There, women can be awarded “presumptive eligibility” for a period up to two months, which covers their prenatal care while they wait for the Department of Family Services to rule on full eligibility, Pockat said.

Beginning April 1, however, presumptive eligibility will no longer be available to non-citizens, nor will its two months of prenatal care, when new immigration laws take effect.

“There’s a lot of concern about this in our office and in other departments,” Pockat said. “We’re looking for new solutions. Otherwise, these women will basically not have any help throughout their pregnancy. They can go over to DFS and apply for what’s called emergency medical aid, which could cover the cost of labor and delivery, but not any prenatal care.”

This could exacerbate an existing problem. In 2005, nearly one in three Teton County women to give birth received “less than adequate” prenatal care, per state definitions.

“The instance of a woman without health insurance having quality prenatal care is somewhat limited based on cost,” said Sheue. “The outcome lends itself to a baby being born at a low weight and with problems.”

INELIGIBLE BUT UNINSURED

As these laws and insurance policies change, women in Teton County increasingly find themselves uninsured (or insured by a policy that excludes maternity) yet ineligible for state benefits.

Pockat advised women deemed ineligible for Medicaid to reapply if their financial situation changes. “[A woman] might not be eligible in December but she could be in January,” she said. “Unfortunately, beyond that, [she will] have to work with a doctor’s office to set up payments. There is nothing else out there.”

Teton County is an ugly place to apply for Medicaid. Eligibility is determined by a flat, statewide income cap. If your income is less, you are eligible. If it is more, you are not. Cost of living is not considered.

“The wage scale hurts people here,” said John Hudson, the county manager for the Teton County Department of Family Services. “What do they pay at the Loaf n’ Jug? You see those wages in the paper - $12 an hour. Service jobs pay much less in other counties, but that money goes further.”

There’s one wrinkle: Eligibility for Medicaid currently relies on “self-declaration,” Hudson said. “For now, we don’t seek out proof of income unless we have a real, valid reason.”

LIMITED ACCESS

In 2005, more than one in five of all American pregnancies ended in abortion, yet only 70 were reported in Wyoming.

This, too, boils down to an access issue. A Wyoming woman that has decided to terminate a pregnancy will find that there is a single advertised abortion provider in the state - Dr. Brent Blue at EmergACare in Jackson Hole.

“There are essentially zero options,” said Dr. Blue. “Either come to us or go to Salt Lake, Bozeman, or Ft. Collins.”

Dr. Blue’s office, which operates on an outpatient basis, provides only surgical terminations (not medical) and only through the 12th week of pregnancy.

Many Wyoming women opt to travel out-of-state for the procedure, said Sharon Breitweiser, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Wyoming.

Dr. Blue sometimes refers pregnant women who do not want abortions to the former “Crisis Pregnancy Center of Jackson Hole,” now called “Turning Point Pregnancy Resource Center.”

Their offices make strange bedfellows; Crisis Pregnancy Centers (increasingly called Pregnancy Resource Centers) are traditionally anti-abortion.

“[Turning Point] will help with some expenses, maybe room and board or adoption referrals, and we want everybody to know these alternatives. But they do lie to people,” said Dr. Blue.

Not so, said Blythe Cox, Turning Point’s new Executive Director. “Primarily what we’re here to do is offer peer counseling on all options of pregnancy.”

The center provides financial assistance on a case-by-case basis and may help a pregnant woman purchase a car seat, for example, or see a doctor.
“We are faith-based,” Cox said. “That’s one reason why we don’t refer for abortion. But we try to stay out of the political arena.”

Their intake form is clear: “The Pregnancy Center does not perform nor refer for abortion.”

This year, Jackson Hole’s center is working to “go medical,” Cox said, “and provide limited first trimester ultrasounds. Our purpose is to provide more insight for the woman. But,” she clarified, “We are not a medical facility. We do not have medical staff.”

Breitweiser said pregnant women are easily misled when crisis pregnancy centers offer ultrasounds.

“They exist, both the ultrasounds and the centers, just to dissuade women from procuring abortions. That’s it. Services like ultrasounds should not be confused with free prenatal care,” she said.

NOT ENOUGH

River and I couldn’t find Turning Point at its new location. We stopped at a shop to ask for directions. A middle-aged man straightened up from behind a pile of rugs in hot red and warm orange hues.

“Are you pregnant?” He asked, clasping his hands together.

“I am,” River said, and he beamed. “Good for you!” He pointed us the right direction. As we left, he shouted: “I think you’re having twins!”

River, still in her first trimester and dwarfed by a winter coat, shook her head.

The center ultimately offered River some assistance with her OB/GYN deposit - the case-by-case funding Cox described.

Still, River wasn’t sure. Oh, she was positive she was having the baby; just not so sure about staying in Wyoming, even with their assistance.

“It isn’t enough,” River said as we walked through the snow. Wyoming just doesn’t have enough services. Public Health was a bust, she said; Medicaid fell through. And for all her job applications, employers weren’t biting.

“Again, no real options,” River said. “What do you do?” She raised a hand to the wintry sky before answering her own question:

“Move to Oregon, I guess.”

Courtesy photo
Charlie and River are going strong.

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Reader Comments

Midwifery illegal. Abortion legal. It sounds like they are encouraging abortion, or at least making it more of a sane decision. Tell us more about the consequences of midwifery. What sort of punishments are they going to give you for having a baby somewhere other than in a hospital. What exactly classifies midwifery. If an expecting mother physically cannot make it to the hospital and gives birth, are they punished as criminals. What nonsense. Thanks for shedding some light on the subject.
jj

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James Bombed

No offense but child birth is about planning and you should have a plan as to how to pay for not only the pregnancy/birthing costs but raising the child afterwards. This may mean finding a job with health insurance, one that pays more and more then likely one that is not in Jackson. Jackson is a town that survies on tourist dollars. High service costs driven up by the price of any kind of health care would not serve the economy. Don't expect that change. Sure it's unfortunate that we do not have universal health care....do something about that this election year, please. This all being said, execute a plan for your birth that provides your needs and don't whine that you are in this position which is totally self made.
roger

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Outrageous Balls

Congratulations to River and Charlie, and shame on the old mieser who told them that they should have planned it out- Perhaps he has never experienced the passions of unbridled love- the stuff babies SHOULD be made of. Move to Oregon River & Charlie- I have a feeling you'll fit right in.
Mecca

This is sad that people think the Government is there to serve us. Living on Goverment checks while not married and pregnant. What ever happened to personal responsibility? I lived in Jackson for 3 years. My employer did not offer insurance and I applied for medicaid and got turned down as well. So I went shopping on the open market and got insurance for myself through a private company at reasonable cost with some minor pre existing health issues. Not once did I think of looking for handout from the great Tax payer of this country or state of Wyoming.
Mike

"When the People lead the leaders will have to follow" -Ben Harper When are we going to restructure our govt. and mandate a constitutional amendment separating "corporation and state" so this oppression fades away like a the memory of a bad nightmare? Phuck corporate feudalism and their soulless profiteering ways!!
Joshua Doolittle

So? Let me see if I get this straight. Having universal health care -- which the U.S. is the lone remaining industrialized nation not to do so, -- is an idea fiscal conservatives equate with their favorite bugaboo term "socialized medicine". However, these selfsame budget hawks, who claim to be masters of their "personal responsibility domains" and of few collective "fiscal obligations" make not a peep of protest about the shared socialized cost of a $2 trillion, with no end in sight vanity war of choice sold on a pack of at least 935 documented lies that a majority of Americans have opposed for over 2 years. What about the socialized costs of dumb, unnecessary, no win, undeclared wars that as unjustly tax the living and the unborn for at least another generation? Why is a war waged for a bothersome minority but bankrolled by everybody, born and unborn, not also a form of "socialism"? Where are you "personal and fiscal responsibility" conservatives on this inconvenient reality? Is continuing to wage an unpopular war not another example of the tyranny of Big Gov't and minority opinion forcing social obligations on the governed without their consent? How have you fiscally prudent types failed to see the irony of a majority of Americans now opposing the war for democracy in Iraq while also favoring universal health care? Perhaps, all you elitist, minority rules types need to either get a reality check, before you become electoral dinosaurs, or herd yourselves like well-heeled Sheeple into a nation of undemocratic, mutual appreciation country clubs. Whatever you decide, you can never match the awesome power of the People's Will! And on the issues of war and health, the People have spoken!
Ron Gaul

Kind of hard to have health care for everyone when you have pople flying planes into buildings. Separate subject, nothing wrong with profits at all, unless you like the old Soviet Union. That worked out well did it not? 9/11 truthers are funny get over it
Stephen

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Outrageous Balls

kook goot luck selling that movie
jay

Here's the economic logic of those in command. Since wars have long been good for the economy, let's start a long endless war in Iraq to boost the economy. There will be lots of money from the government to build tanks, machine guns, and other fun toys design to kill. With all the money and jobs, people can afford to do things like have babies in Jackson hole.
jj

Mike: When you say "Not once did I think of looking for a handout from the great Tax payer of this country or the state of Wyoming", did you mean AFTER you applied for and were denied Medicaid? Being judgmental and sanctimonious is hardly constructive in this scenario. Also, did you happen to read the very large portion of the article that went over -in detail- the problem with buying one's own health insurance? IT DOESN'T COVER MATERNITY BENEFITS OR PREEXISTING CONDITIONS. I realize that lack of maternity benefits wouldn't matter to you but is it possible for you to understand that your situation might not really be comparable to River's?
Margot

Good point Margot, I scratched my head over that one too. It's interesting how people look down on others, for doing something they wish they could do.
jj

My understanding of the midwifery laws in Wyoming are that: #1: It is illegal to practice medicine without a license. #2: Midwifery is considered medicine. #3: A licensed midwife, is essentially required to deliver babies in a hospital. (If not, it is usually prohibitively difficult to do otherwise.) Herein lies the problem: A home birth costs between $2000-3000. That usually covers all prenatal care, the birth, and pospartum care. I think this is a reasonable amount for someone to pay out of pocket if need be. Most births are (or could be if not for intervention-happy doctors) are totally normal and healthy and hence a home birth is a perfectly valid and inexpensive option. If home births were the norm (or gosh, I'd be happy with merely LEGAL in Wyoming) then health insurance (or the state) would only need to step in in cases where hospital care were medically necessary. Of course insurers don't want to cover maternity benefits! Cesarean rates on are unnecessarily on the rise (1 in 3 births!), yet pregnancy isn't an illness but rather a choice so why would they want to cover women who would "choose" to get $15000 procedures done ever other year and expect them to foot the bill? The whole system needs a good overhauling.
Margot

Any idea on the legality of midwifery in Idaho.
jj

I was part of an unplanned pregnancey 40 years ago in Ohio and it was not covered by insurance because we were not married at the time. My now husband's employer, provided insurance after the baby was born (because we married) but nothing prenatal either for the baby or me. We were required to make monthly payments to cover all the expenses and did not even think about applying for state aid. I know you are thinking but it didn't cost so much then. He was making 75 cents per hour so $1200 dollar cost was more than our budget expected to cover. But we did it by him working a second job at even less money per hour. It was our choice not to protect the pregnancy from happening and our responsibility to pay for the consequences of the lack of protection. When did it become ok to expect the "state" (all taxpayers not involved in your blessed event) to pay for your lack of planning?? In this day there is no excuse for unbridled love not being prepared for. NO EXCUSE! If there is a possibility that you could sucumb to the passion you must have protection not only against pregnancy but also disease! Employers all over the country are putting the responsibility of health care insurance on their employees. Health care has become a real challenge to their bottom line. One more point, if you cannot afford the cost of having a baby, maybe you should reconsider having it. The price for prenatal and birth expense is only the beginning. Despite the joy of a new birth, babies soon become children and both are very expensive. The committment is for your entire life even if the child is healthy at birth sometimes things happen later that are not covered by insurance either.
Marcia

(snip)When did it become ok to expect the "state" (all taxpayers not involved in your blessed event) to pay for your lack of planning?? (snip) The day the state made midwifery illegal.
jj

no offense roger and mike but you're both idiots. roger-i suspect either you've never had sex (with a woman) or you were a virgin when you married? otherwise you were at risk for an unplanned pregnancy as well, you just got lucky. (or not) and so let me get this straight...if anyone is going to have a child they need to save up enough money not only to have the pregnancy (and all THAT entails) as well as plan for the next 18 years of the child's life? could you give me the name of your financial planner and personal assistant? nevermind, i couldn't afford it. river and charlie's dilemna is not isolated to teton county. this problem goes on all over the country on a daily basis. according to roger only elitist, ignorant males are allowed to give birth in teton county. and as for you mike, the government IS there to serve the people, by the people. (remember the constitution?)and the fact that you applied for medicaid makes you a hypocrite. next time think a little before hitting the "submit" button.
darin

I'm having a midwife crisis.
jj

Darin, Constitution has nothing about free health care, unemployment checks or medicaid. All that came along with the great society in the 60's. The constitution was about freedom of religion and to practice with out persecution, form the executive branches and provide for the GENERAL well being of its citizenry. Far as the article was I read nothing what she was going to do for herself. Closest thing to that was to physically move to Oregon for get free health care there. He whole situation is sad because she is not the only one not willing to plan ahead. I'm not talking about the baby but in general. The average American has 13k debt and a 400 dollar car payment and wonders why they cant afford good health care. I can bet she has all or some of those problems. Myself and most of my friends work hard, plan, save and would never think of living off the government entitlements.Ashame more people cant take more personal responsibilty. And get off your high horse unless you have some mental or physical problems there is no excuse.
William H

William, I actually know River. She was one of my co-workers last summer and is a friend. She's a very financially responsible adult. She saves money, is relatively frugal, put herself through college, and I would guess has never had credit card debt. I too am a pretty responsible woman, 30 years old, who has chosen to devote my career to the federal government in environmental issues. Working for the NPS, I have no health care although I work full-time and year-round. I save as much money as I can for Roth IRAs, buying a house (obviously not here, I will be moving), etc. If my fiance and I got pregnant, we might be in a very similar situation as River & Charlie. It is not unreasonable to say that hardworking people do NOT have enough money to afford health care. I have chosen not to buy individual health coverage, because it does not cover ANY of the medical needs I have had on a regular basis: eye care, dental, physical check-ups, routine sports injuries & physical therapy, ob/gyn exams, and BIRTH CONTROL (you know, to prevent pregnancies). Instead, I save and pay for these things out of pocket and chose to save for wise investments - things in which I will actually see a return, NOT things that some health insurance company will try and screw me out of should I actually need it! The only coverage that makes any sense for a person like me to have is catastophic coverage to cover a major, or life-threatening accident. Mind you, it would NOT cover big long-term expenses like pregnancy or something like cancer. Just a few things to think about...I do hope our next administration returns to implementing the social services of the "great society of the 60s". Our country could stand to take care of its people a little better, like Europe & Canada. I would love to live in a semi-socialist state. Here's to health care for all, better education, and a more grassroots politics!
k8

jj - I don't know the details, but midwifery IS legal in Idaho. There still aren't lots of options from Jackson, but here is ONE midwife in the Drigg/Victor area. If your pregnancy schedule doesn't fit hers, your next closest option is Idaho Falls.
k8

If they can't afford child birth, they will be coming to taxpayers for childcare, healthcare--CHIP et al, educational services, affordable housing, food stamps, etc. Why should I pay for their mistake--or irresponsible planning?
EJ

k8, your know her not I. Maybe I should have been more general but most people do have that problem, Debt, car pmts etc.. but not having insurance is crazy. When I was there I went to State Farm there and got full coverage for 109.67 per month as a single with some pre existing health problems. Besides Food, rent/mortgage elect and gas that would be next to buy as I could not ever think of looking for government entitlements. Sure there are people who truly cannot take care of themselves for mental/physical reasons and should have some sort of options for medicaid etc.. but I would say a good majority of people just want it because it's free so they take advantage of medicaid and the like. Here in Tennessee you have TennCare, you have to be turned down from a private company to sign up for TennCare. There are people here making 6 figure incomes taking advantage of this state because its free, it is crazy. Maybe its me or my gut but I would never take goverment subsidies unless I really had too.
Willian H

It continues to amaze me how little sense this country has. Because babies are going to be born without prenatal care or not (unless women decide to have abortions because they can't afford prenatal and maternity services), and these babies are going to be born somewhere (and remember that even our health system will not deny emergency services to someone without health insurance, which includes childbirth), babies and moms who don't have prenatal care often have more complications, which end up costing the taxpayers more, so it doesn't even make fiscal sense. Thank you very much for bringing up such important issues, and I hope people that have some power to do something read your article and realize the impact this has on the next generation of future Americans, workers, and taxpayers. I pray that River's baby is healthy and will soon get the care he/she needs during the pregnancy.
Rachel

Hi there, River here. I am glad to be the impetus for such a lively discussion. I understand why many of you may criticize me and the situation I am in. Yes, in an ideal world I would have planned the pregnancy and had health coverage to cover it. But here in the real world, that's just not what happened. I have wanted health insurance for quite some time, and have worked towards getting it. I have applied for many jobs that offer benefits, but have not landed any. Either I am unqualified, or as one potential employer pointed out, grossly overqualified. But my background is in the sciences, and here in Jackson, those jobs are extremely competitive and hard to come by. I have applied for jobs as secretaries, knowing that I am not living up to my potential, in hopes of receiving health benefits. I am not proud that I had to apply for Medicaid. But I pay taxes, and that is what it's there for. I am not the type of person who expects hand outs. I was temporarily on Unemployment while between seasons. In fact my last day of work with the National Park Service, they gave me all the papers I would need and instruction of how to apply for Unemployment benefits. I received benefits while also working part time, which is totally legal. How else would I pay my $1100/month rent and $6000 school loans, the only debt I have. I DO NOT live outside of my financial bounds. I am frugal and financially responsible. I am no free loader, however after all the time I have given to the state of Wyoming as an employee, volunteer and tax-paying citizen, yes...it would be nice if the state could return the favor and help me out. Would you rather I have no prenatal care, having the baby at home without any kind of assistance and risk death to myself or my child? As a member of my community are you willing to bear that upon your shoulders? I couldn't, but I also consider myself a compassionate and empathetic person. And yes, hospitals turn people away without health insurance all the time, do your research. I have taken steps to take care of myself. I have hired a midwife, out-of-pocket, from Idaho who selflessly risks the law to help care for me. Should there be complications with the birth she could face manslaughter charges--not from me, but from the state. Doesn't it seem ridiculous that I have to hire a black-market midwife for care? The drive to see my midwife is 2 hours one way and I have still yet to see her, almost half way through my pregnancy, because I can't get to her--road closures due to snow all three times I have tried. I have tried everything I can to get care. Moving to a new state where I have no community is a horribly scary and drastic thing to have to do. I don't want to, but I have to. I suppose I could pay for the birth out of pocket, which would then financially cripple me and send me back to the state for welfare. Or, I could find state assistance elsewhere, have the baby, retain some of my (believe it or not) SAVINGS, and raise the baby with some dignity. The bottom line is Charlie and I are doing the best we can with what has been made available to us. To those who have criticized me, mostly men incapable of bearing children I've noticed, get real. I highly doubt you are virgins or are absolutely abstinent. Sex happens, babies happen. I hope that you can open your hearts and minds to real world situations that could easily happen to your mother, daughter, sisters, aunties, girlfriends, wives, or girl friends. I know it's easy to criticize a stranger, especially regarding a situation that you will never experience because you are a virgin or abstinent. But remember you too live in a glass house.
River

william- i sure would appreciate it if you honed your reading and comprehension skills (and proofreading your comments would help too). my comment about the constitution was addressing mike's comment that the government "was not there to serve us." (to which i say again, the government IS there to serve us, the taxpayers.) and since 99% of industrialized nations feel that health care is a worthwhile "entitlement" for its citizens, i think that says a lot. and if you think the 15,000,000+ uninsured people in the U.S. are just lazy then you live in a cave. also, if you read the article you would note what health care premiums average for women and what they do and more importantly DON'T cover. your $109 dollar premium in tennessee means absolutely nothing for a woman in wyoming. please at least read the article before you prove yourself a jackass...
the river charles fan club

River, can't you just pretend your not pregnant. :)
jj

"i say again, the government IS there to serve us, the taxpayers.) and since 99% of industrialized nations feel that health care is a worthwhile "entitlement" for its citizens, i think that says a lot." My cousin lives in Canada with his wife and if your talking about Canadians Government health care you can have that. When he needed a specialist for his chrones disease he came to the states and got treatment within 3 weeks. In Canada he had a 8-14 month wait for a Govermenment doctor. Healthcare in the States is far superior than anywhere in the world because the Government stays out of the doctoring and medical research business. If you want to say we have a Health Insurance crisis I would be more willing to go along with some sort of Government assistment to help those who truly need it.
Jay

I understand how difficult paying for medical care is. I pay over $1,000 per month for insurance for my family with a $5,000 deductible. I haven't heard a convincing solution from either political party. The Republicans are offering the status quo, but I'm not convinced that socialized medicine will be any cheaper or more efficient. My take on the article is that people need to take responsibility for their own lives. Maybe we all need to grow up a little sooner, and start thinking about acquiring what we need to be self sufficient, so that we don't have to rely on others for help. It's risky to have sex when you are not married and don't have a good job and health insurance. It's a free country, so you are free to take that kind of risk, but I believe you have to take responsibility for the consequences of your choices, and not depend on the government to bail you out.
Judd Grossman

It's unfortunate it that health insurance companies are dumping maternity plans, but it's no surprise. Both of my kids (who are now 11 and 7) clocked in at nearly $20K a piece. Little "complications" add up in a big way. Too bad River is leaving, having a baby in Teton County is a terrific experience. What I find interesting are the different attitudes - that have played out in this paper many times - towards health insurance and the uninsured. For instance, in the past the Planet, and its readers, have taken a fairly critical stance towards skiers who choose to risk catastrophic (and not so catastrophic) injuries by skiing without insurance. As we've reported, a $30 - 50K knee injury could BANKRUPT someone without insurance, not to mention that it ultimately jacks up our medical fees. And what if Search and Rescue has to come get you to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars? We J-Holers tend to vote these people to the "you get what you deserve" category. But here, it's interesting that the majority of the comments (and the story itself) take a more compassionate view and demand the government support a pregnancy. Unlike skiing in the backcountry without insurance, having sex and getting pregnant without the proper backup systems (like being married, having a good job and enough savings to pay for a pregnancy) is acceptable. I'm not making a judgment one way or the other, it's just interesting that we take a more cynical view towards one behavior and not the other. Why aren't both acts considered irresponsible? Just curious. It sounds like River is going to get it together and she will most likely have a successful pregnancy. Though it seems challenging now, having kids in your life is a wonderful thing.
Mary Grossman

Why is marriage a backup system when having a baby?
jj

How would River and Charlie's situation be any different if they were married. (I know the government gives a tax break to married people ((f'd up isn't it)) but that doesn't mean they are going to have more money, besides weddings cost a lot of money.)
j-never going to marry-j

I’d really like the Grossman’s, Judd in particular, to clarify the apparent double standards inherent in their rhetoric. When “I got mine, now you get yours JG” characterizes the two Democratic presidential candidates healthcare plans as “socialized medicine,” one has to stop and call BS. We are also right to wonder whether Judd Grossman is just parroting tired, misleading and irrational Right Wing talking points because he’s uncreative, or maybe because he’s just plain ignorant of his own hypocrisy and gets his rocks off each night watching the Faux News channel. Judd get it straight: you’re supposed to be in the news business for Pete’s sake not the propaganda racket. Both Democrats are offering SUBSIDIZED HEALTH CARE, not SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE. (That single-payer, Uncle Sam picks up the entire tab died with Dennis Kucinich). The major difference between Obama’s and Hillary’s plans are that one calls for mandates (Hillary) and Obama’s targets the most vulnerable: children, teens and others demonstrably known as the POOR (who Republicans refuse to acknowledge might be in POVERTY as much from their personal failings as from the ruling classes’ fondness for perpetuating structural inequities). But Republicans don’t do Poverty anymore. Ever since getting high-jacked by the Robber Barons early last century, the original Progressive Party, the party of Lincoln, now only do hypocrisy and class warfare (while old Abe rolls in his grave). But this is slightly beside my larger point. I’d like The Grossmans to explain why or why not they do or do not cover their fulltime Planet employees’ healthcare costs like other employers their size in the Valley? More particularly, I’d like Judd to defend calling taxpayer subsided healthcare (now supported by a majority of Americans) “socialized medicine” without also calling George Bush’s $9 billion a month vanity war of choice in Iraq—which is opposed by over 70 percent of the country, proven to be based on a pack of lies, and entirely funded by both the born and unborn—not also a form of SOCIALISM. Heck, Judd, while you’re showing off your profundity, please enlighten us on how a minority of citizens supporting the war in Iraq, to the benefit of a handful of corporations, while putting generations into hock to China and the Saudis, does not meet the textbook definition of FASCISM. Please, Judd shower us with your pearls of wisdom. Or, are you uninterested in defending your position and only interested in demonizing for partisan purposes those policies that fail to serve your imperial, corporatist agenda regardless of whether they’re democratic or not?
oUrAGeoUS bALLs

I hear they bail their employees out of jail. I guess that's an employee benefit.
funstuff

Balls, you're scary.
funstuff's friend

I have owned a small business in Alpine for 3 years now, Outrageous. I have grown my business from just me, to 5 employees. I am annoyed by your attack on the Grossmans (I do not know them) regarding providing their employees with health insurance. I have 5 employees and cannot afford to pay their health insurance. I have looked at many options but the cost for employee health care is so expensive, I would have to fire employees or go out of business. I feel fortunate, and honored, to provide the jobs that I do to this community. I also know many other small business owners in Jackson and Alpine and they do not provide health insurance for the same reasons. By reading your comments I suspect you do not own a small business and have little experience managing employees to back up your attacks. You should be more appreciative for the people who take tremendous risks by owning a business and the contributions they make to a community. I hope you find yourself in my position one day, and perhaps you'll see things differently.
James B.

Please, James B' illin'. All you're doing is begging the following questions: So what's the ratio, James B, of your income/profit to the average salary of your workers in your company over the last 5 years? Are you really trying to tell us that there's no room in your profit margin to reinvest in a competitive group plan that sets a minimum deductible and also offers a matching dollar subsidy to offset those employees who might opt for a lower deductible that might raise your overall group plan premium? Exactly how highly do you value your employees? Are you truly interested in promoting a healthy workforce to maximize individual and overall productivity, not to mention reduce the threat of a competitor luring them away with a better deal? And FUNSTUFF, if you’re acting as some kind of spokesperson for The Grossmans, then I guess you should be directly asked: Why aren’t you addressing the orginal question of why or why not The Grossmans’ offer their fulltime employees health benefits? Or have you drunk the imperial, fascist kool-aid too? Also, how sure are you that The Grossmans have always practiced legal employee relations according to Wyo. statutes?
oUtRagEOsly BiG bAlLs

Outrageous, you still show no evidence to back up your claims. Spend several HOURS if not DAYS with an insurance agent going over the very complicated insurance plans for businesses - it's depressing. Yes, I am telling you that there is no room in my profit margin. My profit margin is virtually nothing as I go weeks without paying myself (common business owner stuff, Balls.) Like I said, I would be glad to buy insurance for my employees, which I do value very much, but I will have to fire one first. My story is not unusual Balls. And you know what Balls, you sound like a real asshole. I bet you have really small balls. Get a life. I'm signing off for good.
James B.

James B & JG clone (a.k.a Funstuff) Let me know if I'm going too fast for you.
OuTRageoSLY uSHakeABLE bIg BalLS

The Planet doesn't offer health care to ANY full-time employees? Thats crazy.
MT

Neither do any of the local radio stations owned by CHAPARRAL BROADCASTING, INC and Jerry "49 North" Lingquist. Scott and all the corporate goons and their adminstrative honchos over there make a mint off paying may of their DJs slave wages for this region. Some people at the radio stations still make $8.hr with ZERO benefits. Can you believe that? In Jackson Hole. Scott Anderson should be ashamed of himself with all the salary and perks he pulls down for doing basically nothing. What an outrage. Both companies' employees should go on day-by-day strike or at least a work slowdown. That would show these self-absorbed greed merchants. Our condolences.
Run DMC

Scott is a greedy guy. It's all to easy for the ones with money to step on the ones without. Whenever I find that I have a surplus, I am sure to give some to my needy friends, or whoever needs it. The successfull local buisnesses should follow this example.
j-neverhadmorethanagrand-j

My husband and I aren't planning on having children. There are many reasons but certainly one of the biggest is the expense. It is financially prohibitive to have a child even with insurance. Our household income is significantly higher than the county median, we own our home, have comparatively little debt, and decent retirement savings. Still, we've seen what our friends that have done it go through, even with decent jobs and insurance. We just don't think we could afford it. We are taking every necessary precaution to avoid an accidental pregnancy short of being celibate. Apologies to anyone whose religious sensibilities might be offended but we still like to have sex. I don't consider this irresponsible behavior. Of course, I have to pay $50 a month for the "privilege" in the form of my co-pay for my birth control pills. I don't know how much they would cost without insurance. My guess is it would be prohibitively expensive for people making a lot less money than me, or those that don't have insurance, or those that have insurance policies that don't cover birth control. I guess condoms might be cheaper (depending on how active you are) but I'm not comfortable with the failure rate. So, while I am "being responsible", it comes with a price and $650 a year ain't chump change to me. My point is trying to avoid getting pregnant is expensive and getting pregnant is even more expensive. I guess only rich people should be allowed to have sex and have babies.
Sherry

Two questions for the Grossmans. Isn't it better for government to provide a safety net for "personal responsibility," when no safety net leads to higher social costs (emergency rooms, pregnancy complications, long-term consequences of prematurity) for everyone? Also, is MT correct that employees of The Planet are potentially in the same position as River? I don't mean this as an attack, but to fact-check before bringing the paper itself into the discussion. James B.'s concerns show how hard our current health care system is on employers as well as employees. If you don't offer benefits, is out of economic necessity, the "personal responsibility" principle, or both? May a Democrat win the presidency so we can deal with health care like a civilized country!
Life Is Complicated

Well put, James B. So, if we are to understand you correctly -- though you ducked stating the ratio of your profit-to-employee salrary costs-- nonetheless, you state that you can't afford to outlay heath insurance for your workforce. However, you would love to have them insured. Boy? If that's truly the case, I sure hope you're honest enough to vote for the party/candidate this time around who has made it their pledge to deliver a national healthcare plan. Why? Well, why should small business' owners like yourself, and individuals too poor to self-insure, be stuck being goaded in chatrooms or feel guilty about being good employers. If you don't want to be left in the lurch, vote your head and heart this time around. Because if you're going to vote the other way, despite your expressed passionate desires, then you're really not serious about caring about your employees or changing the pitiful and systematic rationalized self-interest that rules America: The last industrialized nation to understand the value and humanity of having healthy citizens.
oUtrAgEoUsly bEaUtIful bIg BaLlS

Tons of businesses don't pay health care you guys! What is the deal! I have worked in Jackson for 13 years and have yet to be covered by my employer. So what! I still enjoy living here and I still enjoy my job and my employer. You act like it's corrupt not to pay health insurance. It's a reality. It's not our business to judge. And this Balls person, it's none of you business who we vote for or what someone's ratio to profit is. In fact, none of this is your business. And the way you go off on these political rants.
extra small balls

too bad your balls are small. But it is EXACTLY our BUSINESS to DEMAND ACTION on WHAT A MAJORITY of AMERICANS WANT. AND THAT's UNIVERSAL HEALTH. AMERICA IS LAST ON THIS SUBJECT. DO YOU WANT TO BE LAST. SHEEEPLE ARE LAST. AMERICANS ARE NOT SHEEPLE. ARE WE?
oUtRAgeouSLY hANdsomE bALlS

What's the deal? Everyone above is a Socialist and they think that the government should pay for everything. That's the deal.
JayJfromJH

Hey JAY. You sound like a smart guy. So, if hard working peole who pay taxes shouldn't expect free health care, why do our elected representatives and local gov't employees, who arguably aren't working as much or as hard as we, get free health care paid by guess who? That's right. Us.
Run DMC

Washington Post study: most small businesses do not offer health insurance because it is to expensive. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/small-business/2008/01/study_most_small_firms_dont_of.html
anonymous

jj - I think marriage can be (should be) a higher level of commitment than just living together, and that marriage gives the wife and the kids more security and stability. I also think that it's important that when dating women should look for a man that shares her values, and who has a good enough job to support a family. Then get married and make the life-long commitment of having children. We seem to have it backwards now-a-days. MT - The Planet doesn't provide health insurance. I think it's important to understand that employers can only afford to pay employees a certain amount. That amount is made up of cash and benefits. We looked into paying less cash and providing health insurance, but as far as we can tell the health insurance options that are available are not a good deal for us or the employees, so we have elected to pay more cash, and let our employees find a better insurance deal on their own. Life is Complicated - I can see how providing a safety net is not only compassionate, but practical. The question is when should the safety net kick in? I find it frustrating that middle-class college educated folks need government subsidies. I understand the challenges of paying for healthcare, but if we don't start expecting a certain degree of pride and self-reliance from people it seems like our society will eventually collapse under the weight of entitlement programs with more and more people taking money out of the system and fewer and fewer people left to foot the bill.
Judd Grossman

Many (most?) married parents out there, are stuck in suffocating, unhappy marriages that torture the children. Long-term commitment is better formed by people who want to be together, instead of people forced to be together. Once your married it's divorce till us part, and that's not healthy. A healthy relationship leaves people free to engage with whoever they want, whenever they want. Judd, you say that a marriage gives a child more security and stability, would you care to explain how. You also say that a woman should look for a man with a good job. What should a man look for. What should a woman look for in a man if she already has a good job. Your view of the world is very antiquated, where the woman is incompetant and needy. If I where a woman I'ld be pissed that your trying to influence my decisions, based on the notion that I'm unable to sustain myself. At the sametime you bemoan people for relying on the government, you tell the female poplulation to rely on men. You berate people for government dependance, and berate woman for their independance. Also, you've failed to back up your statement about River being better off if she was married.
jj

If people take their marriage vows seriously, and enter into that commitment willingly, then marriage provides emotional and financial security for women and kids that surpasses the more informal arrangements you are suggesting... Women need to look for men who are financially stable, because it's hard to be a mom and raise little kids and also be the main breadwinner of the family... A man should look for a woman who shares his values, and who is responsible with money... My view of the world might seem antiquated, but I think that our attempts over the last 40 years to reinvent the family have had mixed results. I'm convinced that there is a great deal of merit in a more traditional approach.
Judd Grossman

Judd, you know it's hard to be a mom and a mainbreadwinner, because you yourself have been one, I assume. It's totally stupid to assume that your point of view applies to all people. What happens when a husband loses his job, should divorce ensue. Financial stability is a myth. The idea of marriage being the only means of stability for women has done more to trample females, then build them up. Perhaps that's where you like women, stuck in inferior roles in society, but I happen to enjoy women and treat them as equals.
j-intouchwithhisfeminineside-j

The only true financial stability is with a homeless bum. At least you know they won't F up and become poor.
j"homelessnessisnexttogodliness"j

The state of Wyoming needs a serious revision on its viewpoint of midwifery. Legalizing midwifery would open wide doors for many women to recieve amazing prenatal care and wonderful birth attendants at home OR at a birthing center. This would significantly lower maternity costs. I had insurance with my first child (a completely natural in and out of the hospital less than 24hrs birth) and still paid more out of pocket than my second for which I hired a midwife from outside the state and paid out of posket for all prenatal, birth, and postpastum care. Midwifery is not practicing medicine, it is assisting in a natural process that only requires medical intervention and assistance in a small percentage of cases. (that's what OB's are for:the small percentage...but the general public is led to believe that anything less is inadequate).
AW

Dear Writer, "Midwifery is illegal in Wyoming?" Please make a correction to this statement. I am a certified nurse midwife in Beulah, Wyoming that provides homebirth care. I am licensed by the state of Wyoming and I am LEGAL. Jeanne Prentice, WomanKind Midwifery, Beulah, Wyoming
Jeanne Prentice, CNM



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