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River Crossing

Wednesday, January 13, 2010

By Jake Nichols

There was a man. He was like any man. He had been walking in the backcountry for many miles, many hours. He was lost. At first, the trail was well-marked and of easy grade. He remembers when it grew too steep or too difficult to follow, he simply checked with his map and compass and invented a detour or two. That was a while ago. It now grew late and he was hungry and weary and alone.

Instinctively, the man knew he must reach higher ground. Lost in the valley, in the thick canopy of trees, it was impossible to find the way. From on high, the man knew he could make sense of the underlying terrain. The man finally reached a high rock and was overjoyed at seeing the trailhead, but his heart sank when he realized he must cross a mighty river to get there. To the animals of the forest, the river meant life. To the man, it seemed swift and deep, and he was afraid.

Jackson Hole, Wyo.-“Welcome to the river. Come on in, the water’s fine.” – Pastor Mike Atkins, to the congregation Sunday, Jan. 10, 2010.

Pastor Mike Atkins has been mak
ing a joyful noise at the little church in Rafter J called River Crossing going on 13 years since his second coming in 1997. The 53-year-old Tennessean built the congregation from a loyal 50 followers or so, to nearly 500 today.

Atkins draws them in with a fresh approach to worship. Wooden pews are replaced with plush chair seating. The altar backdrop features not crosses or frescos, but expansive floor-to-ceiling windows that let in the majesty of the Teton Range. Contemporary music pounds out of a state-of-the-art sound system courtesy of artist-in-residence Eddie Anders.

But it is the message that holds the flock and keeps them returning. Mike Atkins does not sugarcoat it. The self-made preacher came from a broken home. He went from high-school class president to college flunk-out in a year.

“I grew up in the streets,” he admitted. “I experimented and dabbled around with a lot of stuff, so I got a good taste of life without faith.”

Atkins’ ministry has followers worldwide. He is a respected speaker and teacher. At home, in Jackson Hole, Atkins’ self-effacing approach to the Word has found purchase with local residents. JH Weekly sat down with the father of three.

Jackson Hole Weekly: The style of worship at River Crossing is dynamic. This is not your grandfather’s pipe-organ cathedral.

Mike Atkins: We do different things than just a normal church. I think a part of that is because churches as a whole are evolving in America to engage the culture. They’ve gone from just ‘smells and bells’ to adjusting their methods to kind of be more contemporary to the culture around them.

But we are a solidly Christian congregation, founded  on very orthodox faiths and Christian beliefs. The message has not changed. The methods have changed. We do things a little more contemporary. We try new things. We take risks with ways to express that truth, but it’s still the same old Gospel that’s been preached for two thousand years that we’re proclaiming. Nothing’s changed.

JHW: You’ve brought in some world-class musicians at River Crossing. Why the focus on the performing arts?

MA: I’ve always felt like the performing arts are kind of first claimed by the church. If you look at Beethoven and Bach and the great painters and artists, the arts were almost exclusively used for many centuries of time to portray sacred themes and things of that nature. To me, the arts and the sacred go together beautifully and always have.

I think the unique thing about being a pastor in Jackson Hole is this is an area that has 6,000 town residents, 20,000 in the county, but three-and-a-half-million tourists coming through the area. It seems like, for most people, Jackson Hole is an event, not really a lifetime experience. For most of them, this isn’t a ‘womb-to-tomb’ place.

hey are mostly going to pass through this area and it’s going to be an event in their life. So being conscious of that as a congregation, we thought, “How can we make that event not only a great recreational event like skiing or fly-fishing or riding a horse, but spiritually, how can we make it a really impacting event in their life?”

JHW: Something about River Crossing appeals to the youth. In an era when many churches are losing the 20-something.s, your church seems to cater to them.

MA: I think that is true. Certainly my background with college ministry for 10 years has a lot to do with that. [Atkins grew a college ministry to 400-strong in Atlanta after starting there as the janitor.] I think that fashioned a lot of my style and teaching, because college students don’t take things on surface level.

They question everything. So I learned to really think through my faith. I know how to speak to that age group in a way that makes truth relevant to them.

I’m a passionate believer in the truths that I talk about. They rescued me in a very dark period of my life. They’ve been the foundation stone of my life, my marriage and my own children. So when I stand up and talk about them, it’s not a dry intellectual exercise expounding on some idea. I’m talking about life-changing truth. And I think that with young adults particularly, that’s something that matters to them.

The people in this congregation also feel passionately about these truths. It’s not just me. It’s really a living expression of our faith and love for a living God. That’s what makes it real to us. And when you have something that you feel passionately about, you kinda can’t shut up about it.

JHW: You keep up with world affairs. You have met with world leaders like Benjamin Netanyahu (Prime Minister of Israel) and Farah Pahlavi (Empress of Iran during Shah’s reign). Are you politically active?

MA: I’ve never been a hugely political figure. Candidly, I’ve always thought the political realm was temporal and the spiritual realm was eternal. I don’t put a huge amount of stock in the political process. I tend to think more in terms of what can I do to make a difference in people’s lives, rather than what can the government do. Over the course of my life, I have been engaged in the world – China, Africa, India, South America – involved in a lot of ministries that have been really making a difference.

JHW:  Jews and Christians have an interesting relationship. Both faiths are rooted in the Old Testament but diverge when the Book of Matthew begins.

MA: Jesus was Jewish. So that pretty much connects us to the Jewish faith. I think, historically, Christians have always viewed Judaism as being the roots of our faith.

The Old Testament is the same sacred books that Judaism honors. The foundations of our faith go back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and those storied figures. Most Christians I know have a love for the Jewish people. I would say here, locally, in Jackson Hole, I feel a great sense of alliance and affinity with the Jewish community.

JHW: So many people today self-medicate. They might or might not believe in a higher power but, basically, they live under their own set of rules – a kind of “Do unto Others…” faith.

MA: I think the reason why I landed at Christianity is kind of the same way Bono (U2) did. I remember hearing him talk about growing up with the idea of karma. If you do good, those things come to you and if you do bad, bad things come to you. And he said that worked for him as long as he was doing good things, but the problem was he started doing a bunch of bad things as well.

Then he encountered grace, and he’s been pretty open being a Christian and having experienced that. Grace says, essentially, that all of us have failed. We’ve all kind of gone our own way. I don’t think there is any human being that would want the whole story of their life written in a book and passed out.

The message that Bono talks about that captivated him is the message of grace: the idea that there’s actually a place where failure, rebellion, sin – whatever you want to call it – can actually be forgiven. Where it is not just what goes around comes around, but where there is actually someone who is willing to take a stand between our destructive acts and the consequences of those acts. And that’s really the message of the cross. 

JHW: Still, it is a difficult concept to accept.

MA: People get so confused by what Christianity is really about. I asked a guy one time what he thought the theme of Christianity was and he said, “Well, if you keep the Ten Commandments you get to go to heaven.” And I just shook my head and said, “It is so amazing to me that you could read the scriptures and miss the whole theme.” Because the whole theme is you can’t get to heaven by keeping the Ten Commandments. All have fallen short. Everybody’s blown it. There is no way man can fix his problems or sort it out for himself. He needed a savior.

Maybe someone could stand in front of a group of people and claim it, but I don’t know anybody that can look in a mirror and say: “I’ve got nothing that I need to be forgiven for.” But who forgives you? You just forgive yourself? Or is there anybody that you owe some accountability to? For me, it’s been such a life-transforming experience, as it has for Bono and for many other people, that I can’t keep quiet about it. I don’t go out and slam it down people’s throats but if somebody asks where is the hope that’s in me, I’m gonna tell ‘em. The hope that’s in me is Jesus Christ.

JHW: Can science and religion co-exist?

MA: I think it’s a tragedy that science and religion have become enemies.
Throughout most of science’s history, science has been married to religion in a very real sense. Many of the great scientists – the Pascals, the Newtons – they had very strong faith.

Unfortunately, now, there seems to be a sort of hostility, and honestly I see it more on the end of science, than I do on religion. It is almost a militant atheism that says: “Not only do I not believe, but you’re an idiot if you do.” I think that’s a great tragedy because I think we can learn something from each other. There is no question this universe is an extraordinary mystery. I think that anybody that takes just a brief glimpse at the complexity and order and design of the universe would have to come away with the conclusion that there is some thought and purpose that’s gone into what’s here.

JHW: River Crossing began as the JH Christian Center when the 600-acre Rafter J development was plotted in 1978. The property encompasses nearly 15 acres. And there are plans to expand?

MA: Back in 1992, we submitted a master plan to the county that we’ve been working on ever since, really. From the beginning we thought of enlarging our sanctuary space which is what this [proposed] new building is about. JHW

Photo by Derek Diluzio
Pastor Mike Atkins

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Reader Comments

A nice interview. But I have a question for Pastor Mike Atkins (if you're reading this feedback). In Matthew 19:16, where the rich young man asks Jesus, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Jesus answers, "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." "Which ones" the man inquired. Jesus replied, "Do not commit adultery, do not steal,do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself." And so it seems to me that the guy's response to your question was not off the mark, as Jesus' direct response was that the way to eternal life was to obey the commandments. Maybe you should not have been so amazed?
little saganaga

little saga This is indeed a question for Pastor Mike and I will alert him to this feedback blog. It is my understanding that the verses you quote show Jesus' tender teaching style. The man may have kept the Commandments (especially the so-called "Biggies") to the letter of the law, but Jesus was trying to carefully show him how far he was from keeping the Commandments in his heart by challenging him to go a step further and surrender his wealth and walk with Him. Essentially, and boiling it down to a simplicity I am capable of at this point of my learning, Jesus replaced the 10 Commandments (as a ruleset that governed our behavior toward one another) with the simple rule of love. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. He also acknowledged that no man could perfectly and completely keep the 10 Commandments, so using them as a means to heaven would eliminate everyone. He, therefore, introduced "Grace." Accepting that we have all failed, that we are of a flawed nature to begin with, we are asked to simply accept the gift of eternal life offered by Jesus that he paid for by dying on the Cross. It's that simple and that complicated. So radical a message that scholars and Rabbis of that time could not get their arms around it, called it blasphemous and hunted down Jesus and his followers for proclaiming this New Testament. I appreciate you reading and especially taking the initiative to question.
jake

I'd like to thank Jake Nichols of JHW for a great interview with Pastor Mike. Outstanding job! Keep it up.
Steve

Thanks for the thoughtful response, Jake. I agree with much of what you say. Getting back to the verses from Matthew, I think Jesus did clearly see that the rich young man's heart was with his wealth, and so called on him to sell everything, give to the poor, and follow him (in addition to keeping the commandments). Jesus didn't ask everyone to sell their belongings, as evidenced by the women of means who helped the disciples with their needs (remember the woman with the expensive perfume whom Judas hypocritically scolded for not selling it...). I'm also quite certain that if and when a human being loves God with all their heart and their neighbor as themselves, they WILL obey the commandments naturally, and in a sense, unthinkingly. Love does no wrong to one's neighbor. And so yes, I do believe that Jesus replaced the Law of the commandments with the Law of Love - To love God and your neighbor as yourself IS the Law and the prophets, as Jesus said - meaning I think that again, when you do those things you will be obeying the commandments. Nonetheless, I believe it's still essential to do our utmost to obey the commandments. Are we to forget about them, and give in to temptation, convincing ourselves that we needn't obey them because we are under Grace? Or to excuse our lack of discipline for the same reason? I would posit that it was Christ's victories over every temptation that makes it possible for us to do the same. Jesus said that those who love him are those who obey him. Thanks for the dicussion, and more later.
little saganaga

Thank you for caring enough to make a comment. Well said Jake! As I view it, Jesus was not trying suggest a righteousness by works to the rich young ruler but to show him that self-righteousness was an empty hope if it was to be the basis for acceptance before a perfectly Holy God. If his good works were good enough to earn him salvation why was he still empty and seeking? I believe it was because inherently he knew that his obedience was the obedience of outward appearance but that his heart was still stained and damaged by the restlessness and brokenness of sin. He desperately needed forgiveness and a new spiritual life, which is what Christ was offering him if he would follow Him. Jesus was trying to offer him access to true works of grace, empowered by the indwelling Holy Spirit, which flow out of a humbled heart that’s been transformed by Christ. They become acts of gratitude, love and wisdom born of thankfulness and love for the work of Christ and enabled by His living spiritual power and presence. On the other hand works that attempt to “purchase” salvation by outward show in an attempt to earn a place in heaven are doomed from the start because they are good works offered out of the heart of a fallen man. “Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to his mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit” Unquestionably the response to grace, truly experienced, is a new hunger for uncommon living. A yearning for noble and holy pursuits, by yielding to the Spirit of God’s presence, is the natural response of the forgiven heart. Purity however is not the way we access the grace of God, rather, the grace of God is the way we access purity.
Mike Atkins

Thanks very much Pastor Atkins. I like everything you've said. And yet, from Christs own words, it's clear that obedience is paramount. Not the obedience of "outward show" as you say, but obedience because Christ commands it. If you could find the time to comment some more on the following passages, I'd greeatly appreciate it. Luke 11:28 "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command." John 14:21 "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me." John 14:23 and 24 "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching." John 15:10 "If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love." John 15:14 You are my friends, if you do what I command." And finally, in Matthew 16:27 (and many other places) "For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done."
little saganaga

Obedience and discipline are important to God. No one is suggesting that grace is a free-pass to lead a sinful life. In fact, those who call on Jesus as their Saviour are under more of an obligation to discontinue sinful behavior. There have been a lot of learned men that have had a crack at these teachings and we all still have healthy discourse on them 2000 years later. I think that is a positive thing as is the fact that you quote the Book and read the Book. That's never a bad thing. “A Bible that's falling apart usually belongs to someone who isn't.”
jake

Is it possible for Muslims to get to heaven?
serious

serious: in a round about way, that's one of the questions or challenges I have toward orthodox Christianity inherent in my postings.
little saganaga

And maybe just one final thought. I think it's presumptuous to accuse the "rich young man" or anyone else of obeying the commandments for "outward show" or for "purchasing" their place in heaven. My feeling in reading Matthew 19:16 is that the rich young man was sincere, and had obeyed the commandments his entire life because he believed in God, and it was what God commanded. I think his stumbling block was his wealth, as Jesus explained. This is not to say that people don't make a 'show' of piety, or do good works for selfish reasons. But it is my heartfelt belief, that if anyone, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. "hears the word of God and obeys it", they will be blessed, as the Lord said.
little saganaga

serious: That boils it all down. A bombshell of a question. I should have asked that point-blank in the piece.
jake

The truth is to some degree we all steal.
jj



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